I'm so thankful that I came across these podcasts. Hearing Mayim and the guests reflect and discuss the more challenging aspects of life feels so comforting to me. I feel like it's teaching me self compassion, which is something I've never had. I've always just thought I'm a failed person who doesn't really deserve life, Life just forgot about that. Thank you for this podcast Mayim 💛
Committing suicide is not enduring to the end (Matthew 24:13). It is not abiding in Christ (John 15:1-6). It is not continuing in His goodness (Romans 11:22). It is not holding fast the word (1 Corinthians 15:2). It is definitely being moved away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23). It is not holding fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end (Hebrews 3:6). It is not holding the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end (Hebrews 3:14). It is refusing and turning away from Him who speaks from heaven (Hebrews 12:25). And, it is not overcoming the world (1 John 5:4), but rather being overcome by the world and the devil (1 Peter 5:8). That doesn't happen to those "born of God."
We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. (1 John 5:18). Some might argue, "What about Samson? He committed suicide." Samson's "suicide" was actually an act of war, as he killed three thousand Philistines in his vengeance upon them (Judges 16:28-30). He died in his effort to kill others, as he said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" (Judges 16:30). It was not, as a typical suicide of our day, because of a lack of hope, or a deranged mind. He died with the Philistines to "take vengeance on the Philistines" for his two eyes (Judges 16:28). Plus, this was the only choice he had, to kill them as he did.
Typical suicidal people today are those who have no hope, and they are thus not in Christ (Ephesians 2:12; 1 Peter 1:3; 3:15), or they have been moved away from the hope of the gospel and are thus lost (Colossians 1:21-23). Those with deranged minds, or who "might have a mental breakdown," are those who do not have a sound mind and are therefore not in Christ (Isaiah 26:3; 2 Timothy 1:7). These people will end up in hell if they die in such a state. Such people are not saved. On the cross and in His death, Jesus did not lose or forsake hope in God nor rebel against Him as those who commit suicide today do. Moreover, no man could or can do what Christ did, lay His life down of Himself (John 10:18; Ecclesiastes 8:8 “No one has power over the spirit to retain the spirit”). He also was murdered by men (Acts 7:52).
Paul says, if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, . . . (Colossians 1:23). Jesus said, he who endures to the end shall be saved (Matthew 24:13). God does not promise salvation to those who forsake Him (e.g. 1 Chronicles 28:9; John 15:1-6; Hebrews 10:26-31). Paul warns, Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. (Rom 11:22 NKJ) “Mental Illness” (as in the realm we are talking, suicide, self-destructive behavior) is a symptom of a “debased mind” (Romans 1:28). When someone is so utterly given over to wickedness, hopelessness, and rejection of Christ that they kill themselves (as masochistic behavior is noted as demonic in Scripture, Mark 5:2-5; Ephesians 5:29 “no one ever hated his own flesh”), such behavior reveals there is no faith in Christ. God has made Himself very clear: “the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10), the “unbelieving” go to the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8). The Bible is not a lie.
Seeing Mork and mindy … Robin works with Orson on the issues that people work with . I believe if we take time to work with people like that and understand people that might or might not understand how to work with people . I see zak taking on Morks role when talking to Orson
The 1982 FIFA World Cup was the 12th FIFA World Cup, a quadrennial football tournament for men's senior national teams, and was played in Spain between 13 June and 11 July 1982. The tournament was won by Italy, who defeated West Germany 3–1 in the final, held in the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in the capital, Madrid. It was Italy's third World Cup title, but their first since 1938. The defending champions, Argentina, were eliminated in the second round (finishing third and last in their group). Algeria, Cameroon, Honduras, Kuwait and New Zealand made their first appearances in the finals.
The tournament featured the first penalty shoot-out in World Cup competition. This was the last World Cup to feature two rounds of group stages. It was also the third time (after 1934 and 1966) in which all four semi-finalists were European.
In the first round of Group 3, Hungary defeated El Salvador 10–1, equalling the largest margin of victory recorded in the finals (Hungary over South Korea 9–0 in 1954, and Yugoslavia over Zaire 9–0 in 1974).
Although successful and filled with compelling and entertaining matches, this tournament was blighted by violent fouls, some poor officiating and some overcrowded stadiums. One particular incident of note was West German goalkeeper Harald Schumacher's foul of French player Patrick Battiston during a semi-final match in Seville, and another was Italian player Claudio Gentile's intense and often violent match-long fouling and marking of Argentine player Diego Maradona. FIFA changed the regulations to somewhat prevent this kind of brutality on the pitch for the subsequent tournament in Mexico.
Great interview with Zak! As someone who is also in recovery, his story and path of service is immensely helpful and inspirational.
Something perhaps even more resonant with me is Jonathan’s sharing of his challenging younger life with the familial impact of his brother and sisters’ special needs. I have a sister who was born with many special needs and I also remember the dreadful feelings of so many similar things: going out in public and having people stare at my sister, coming home to a house that felt like an emotional vacuum, etc. Jonathan’s statement about his younger self needing (1) adults who were present and (2) not “Be there in that moment” was like a lightning bolt of realization which never occurred to me until now (and I’m in my fifties), but I now realize that’s what I needed too, so THANKS Jonathan and Mayim❤
Wonderful episode as usual, I discovered your podcast a month ago and it's so inspiring. I couldn't help to post a comment (even if the episode was published beginning of September) because, as touching the interview with Zack Williams was, the sharing of Jonathan's story and experience at the end touched me even more. I related so much. I went through a trauma myself when my mom suffered a big stroke. She survived but with big side effects. She was never again what she was and never will be… I lost my mom that day and at the same time I didn't. When he said «the thing with a death is that there is a finality in it» and «there is no normal to go back to»… it resonates with me so much. Even if it's not the same (no trauma is the same) it feels somehow light to know you're not alone or the weird case out there…. Ambiguous Grief is something that is so not talk about.
So, simply, thanks for being out there and talk about these subjects. Trauma and Ambiguous Loss are part of my life I learn to live with so even if for a short time thanks Jonathan for your story.
So admirable that he has turned his challenges into compassionate goodwill and good works. I am impressed by his intelligence and perseverance. God bless you Zak Williams.
Police are brutal,, please my story is so different from all this ….. I was sad about losing my house,, cops came too bad they didn't kill me like putting their knee on my neck & take me out… In Michigan mental health is treated like a it's a pain in the ass, to all nurse's, doctors, cop's.. No One Cares & all that bull is Fake like help out there for people that need it… Useless help…
Thank you Johnathan. The fire alarm analogy took my breath away. I grew up with that fire alarm going off but could never put it to words. I am so grateful to you for sharing. I have been diagnosed with PTSD, GAD and Depression. I go to therapy and listen to your podcasts as well as many others that talk about mental health. A positive thing that happened because of the pandemic is the increase and a highlight of such podcasts. Thank you for all you and Mayim do to educate about mental health and give space for people to ask questions. Also, giving celebrities a safe space to talk about their struggles is doing such a service to societies. To learn that celebrities struggles as "we" struggle is powerful, especially to those who they are all perfect and try to emulate them. Thank you again!
Religion is authoritarian, and authoritarians are controlling. Between men and women, men set the emotional tone/vibe socially, and women reciprocate what men present to them. The tone is mostly authoritarian. What is one thing authoritarian men want control over the most? Women.
What is the exact opposite of a controlling attitude? Humility, honesty, respect, and non-violence. Having a controlling attitude is the ABSENCE of developing character towards women socially for purposes of mating and sex. So what is the purpose of religion? To appear Godly and spiritual socially WITHOUT developing character within.
With authoritarianism, ALL MEN BLAME WOMEN for dishonesty socially. Kind of mean, f*cked up, and manipulative, don’t you think? Considering men are physically bigger in frame, physically aggressive (violent), angry (authoritarian) all the time, and overall control the tone/vibe of how men and women interact socially.
Why is almost all violence and machismo in some way or another affiliated religion? It’s not hard to see the truth: to get rid of religion socially worldwide is to also get rid of amorality, indifference, conformity, authoritarianism, and violence towards women.
All war, ultimately, has to do with control over women by authoritarian (lying) men.
God is love, and love is a collective consciousness filled with humility and honesty, and an absence of a violent, central authority.
Only “alpha” males focus on religion. They are the most manipulative, materialistic, and conniving of men, as well as the most violent. Not all alphas are religious, but almost all religious men are alpha (authoritarian).
Evolved men are too honest for religion or atheism. They focus on telepathy. The only way to focus on telepathy is to be honest and humble socially.
Men focusing on the spiritual focus on spirituality NOW, which is telepathy. They do not wait to form spiritual personalities until after death (religion), and then play head games in the material with money, weight training, martial arts, and anger.
No one cares about religion at all. People only care that life after death is real and that telepathy is real.
Religion is a head game. It is shallow. It is corny.
This was a heavy and very important episode to hear from someone who in everyone's eyes should have had a happy life with no problems, to share them to have learned from them and now to help others is truly inspiring. Thanks Jonathan for sharing your experience, and bringing up front to those that are "left out" when tragedy hits a family, this podcast keeps blowing my mind
My cousin committed suicide by hanging, while I was a young person. I think in my youth. I can’t remember the year.
She was in South Korea. Only our aunt and her family there. They later, I found out didn’t know how to help and may have aggravated the situation. But they chose to see it in a way, that showed lack of empathy. They just blamed it on her boyfriend. They kept saying he might have murdered her.
To avoid trouble, the boyfriend’s family settled the situation with her father, who was divorced from her mother, my aunt, who lives in Argentina.
I don’t think healing happened over there. Just an acceptance and coping via seeking after success in work and social status related stuff. Even in their faith.
I witnessed that some years later after my cousin’s suicide. Lived with my paternal grandparents for three months. They didn’t acknowledge some things I knew via my mom, been told by my cousin’s mom, where they partially held them responsible, as well as the boyfriend, he was emotionally abusive and taking advantage of my cousin financially.
My aunt in Korea did cut her off from financial support before the suicide.
The police report said clear suicide. The boyfriend’s family did some financial reparation to my uncle, who was an alcoholic. Because, in Korea, people openly blame you for things, so you have to do open and obvious reparations. And my uncle’s alcoholism was the reason my grandpa told him to stop living with them in Argentina, so he went back home to Korea.
And I struggled with suicidal ideation since I was 11. I didn’t have mayor trauma. But my highly sensitive and empathetic heart did feel even small traumas more, so I guess that is what predisposes me to what my mental and emotional health journey have been like.
But thankfully for me my faith has helped me on my journey of healing in Christ. Still work in progress but getting closer to free indeed to enjoy life for the most part, while handling all my issues better so they don’t affect my life so much at times.
Adore your show and find it extremely valuable (and often delightful) . Might be interesting to discuss how the categorization of illnesses (with hyperspecific criteria) is, in some ways, problematic. The DSM is a fiction. A USEFUL one and one worth paying attention to — not trying to dismiss it completely — but ultimately it's a fiction. Which is not to say that people's mental distress and suffering isn't extremely real and deserving of support (and way more support than we have access to these days). But at times, the categories of illness are not useful (to be gentle about it). Just always good to not be too reverential of these things.
Blessings on your guest and on Jonathan for sharing these things and for being such lovely people.
Thank you so much for this! I relate to so much of his journey. I have recognized grief, crazy-making situations where my internal world doesn't match my external world, but I never even though about survivor's guilt. I, too, drank to numb and all of my teenage years were spent around kids who drank and planning our next night out. I appreciate his words of needing to be removed. I would have benefited dramatically if an adult would have come along side and helped me understand the breadth of what I was going through as a child. "My needs did not exist because of what was going on in the family" is a quote I have lived and breathed most of my life. My family was not able to be there for me emotionally or physically. I felt when Jonathan was talking about days after his brother's accident. Even though my life changed forever when I was 11 years old, I can still remember vividly the minutes, hours, days after my dad's death and the giving away of my sister into the system which led to a lifetime of horrific abuse. My life was never the same after my father passed away. I call them mile markers where a time in your life has been marked forever and you can never be the same. I relived those moments after my father's death over and over, for years. When Jonathon talked about opening the door to his family's house and how different it was, it's like opening the door to the next chapter of your life that never ends. It was a situation that you feel like you are screaming for help, but no one can hear you and no one is there to help. I loved how you shared PTSD symptoms, Mayim, Intrusive memories, avoiding places that remind you of where it happened, always on guard, self-destructive behaviors, drinking too much, trouble sleeping, overwhelming guilt or shame were some of what you discussed. Thank you so much for this episode! It helped me tremendously.
Such a cool guy! Financial literacy is such an important thing I wish we taught in schools across the country. The mental health emergency line is going to save so many lives, especially since anyone may need mental health support, and when we do – calling law enforcement isn’t even a logical answer to what needs we have in those moments. The fact that there even IS a line that we can call for mental health emergencies and crises by itself makes a statement of how importantly we need to view mental health concerns. Things like 988 help us normalize talking about mental health and underscores its importance. Zak is a great inspiration in so many ways – it’s not just his incredible post traumatic growth that’s impressed me in this interview, but his work to support these specific programs mentioned in this episode – it’s uplifting and encouraging for those of us who continue our own post traumatic journeys. Our lives will never be the same after the traumas we’ve experienced, but it’s clear from listening to this discussion that we can continue living and even thrive into the future. Thanks for sharing yet another great interview you guys!
I lost my dad to addiction the same year that Robin Williams died and I was the same age as Zack. This has been so healing to listen to and I’m only 10 minutes in. Thank you.
Working to open up is a leap of ones heart. Zak and JC help their hearts recalibrate every time they pull from the trauma. It is bravery. Thank you both for sharing!
I really appreciated Jonathan sharing so much of his experience. While mine is very different I related to a lot of what he talked about emotionally. Thank you.
The way Zach, MB and Jonathan were so honest abour their trauma and experience was really valuable. I was able to better understand myself and my behaviour. It's been really hard to see myself reflected in others, because we usually try to hide and forget what we been through. I do understand now I have an addiction to alcohol as a coppin mechanism and I'm trying to be a better man, but sometimes I feel lost and lonely, as if I'm wrong cause I don't really understand what's the root of this compulsion. But, listening to your memories and what you've been through while sitting alone in my bedroom through one of the hardest moments of my life, makes me feel understood and somehow calmer. Thank you so much for doing this interview and being so bluntly honest. It does make a difference.
I remember an old record I had called "Robin Williams at the Met". He talked about getting sober for his 3 year old son Zak and so he wouldn't get anymore next day calls about crapping in a tuba. The way he talked about being a father and the wonder of a 3 year olds mind was incredible.
As someone who grew up in a Robin Williams fan household as a child and is seeking help for the first time for anxiety, depression, and what is likeley c-ptsd, this was so lovely and helpful. 💟
Wow. That was REALLY heavy, but necessary. Zach was extremely forthcoming, & I really appreciate him sharing. What an amazing person to utilize his struggles to help those who are dealing with similar struggles.
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I'm so thankful that I came across these podcasts. Hearing Mayim and the guests reflect and discuss the more challenging aspects of life feels so comforting to me. I feel like it's teaching me self compassion, which is something I've never had. I've always just thought I'm a failed person who doesn't really deserve life, Life just forgot about that.
Thank you for this podcast Mayim 💛
Can they cause kidney stones?
Committing suicide is not enduring to the end (Matthew 24:13). It is not abiding in Christ (John 15:1-6). It is not continuing in His goodness (Romans 11:22). It is not holding fast the word (1 Corinthians 15:2). It is definitely being moved away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23). It is not holding fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end (Hebrews 3:6). It is not holding the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end (Hebrews 3:14). It is refusing and turning away from Him who speaks from heaven (Hebrews 12:25). And, it is not overcoming the world (1 John 5:4), but rather being overcome by the world and the devil (1 Peter 5:8). That doesn't happen to those "born of God."
We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him. (1 John 5:18). Some might argue, "What about Samson? He committed suicide." Samson's "suicide" was actually an act of war, as he killed three thousand Philistines in his vengeance upon them (Judges 16:28-30). He died in his effort to kill others, as he said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" (Judges 16:30). It was not, as a typical suicide of our day, because of a lack of hope, or a deranged mind. He died with the Philistines to "take vengeance on the Philistines" for his two eyes (Judges 16:28). Plus, this was the only choice he had, to kill them as he did.
Typical suicidal people today are those who have no hope, and they are thus not in Christ (Ephesians 2:12; 1 Peter 1:3; 3:15), or they have been moved away from the hope of the gospel and are thus lost (Colossians 1:21-23). Those with deranged minds, or who "might have a mental breakdown," are those who do not have a sound mind and are therefore not in Christ (Isaiah 26:3; 2 Timothy 1:7). These people will end up in hell if they die in such a state. Such people are not saved. On the cross and in His death, Jesus did not lose or forsake hope in God nor rebel against Him as those who commit suicide today do. Moreover, no man could or can do what Christ did, lay His life down of Himself (John 10:18; Ecclesiastes 8:8 “No one has power over the spirit to retain the spirit”). He also was murdered by men (Acts 7:52).
Paul says,
if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, . . . (Colossians 1:23).
Jesus said,
he who endures to the end shall be saved (Matthew 24:13).
God does not promise salvation to those who forsake Him (e.g. 1 Chronicles 28:9; John 15:1-6; Hebrews 10:26-31). Paul warns,
Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. (Rom 11:22 NKJ)
“Mental Illness” (as in the realm we are talking, suicide, self-destructive behavior) is a symptom of a “debased mind” (Romans 1:28). When someone is so utterly given over to wickedness, hopelessness, and rejection of Christ that they kill themselves (as masochistic behavior is noted as demonic in Scripture, Mark 5:2-5; Ephesians 5:29 “no one ever hated his own flesh”), such behavior reveals there is no faith in Christ. God has made Himself very clear: “the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9-10), the “unbelieving” go to the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8). The Bible is not a lie.
Seeing Mork and mindy … Robin works with Orson on the issues that people work with . I believe if we take time to work with people like that and understand people that might or might not understand how to work with people . I see zak taking on Morks role when talking to Orson
The 1982 FIFA World Cup was the 12th FIFA World Cup, a quadrennial football tournament for men's senior national teams, and was played in Spain between 13 June and 11 July 1982. The tournament was won by Italy, who defeated West Germany 3–1 in the final, held in the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in the capital, Madrid. It was Italy's third World Cup title, but their first since 1938. The defending champions, Argentina, were eliminated in the second round (finishing third and last in their group). Algeria, Cameroon, Honduras, Kuwait and New Zealand made their first appearances in the finals.
The tournament featured the first penalty shoot-out in World Cup competition. This was the last World Cup to feature two rounds of group stages. It was also the third time (after 1934 and 1966) in which all four semi-finalists were European.
In the first round of Group 3, Hungary defeated El Salvador 10–1, equalling the largest margin of victory recorded in the finals (Hungary over South Korea 9–0 in 1954, and Yugoslavia over Zaire 9–0 in 1974).
Although successful and filled with compelling and entertaining matches, this tournament was blighted by violent fouls, some poor officiating and some overcrowded stadiums. One particular incident of note was West German goalkeeper Harald Schumacher's foul of French player Patrick Battiston during a semi-final match in Seville, and another was Italian player Claudio Gentile's intense and often violent match-long fouling and marking of Argentine player Diego Maradona. FIFA changed the regulations to somewhat prevent this kind of brutality on the pitch for the subsequent tournament in Mexico.
Great interview with Zak! As someone who is also in recovery, his story and path of service is immensely helpful and inspirational.
Something perhaps even more resonant with me is Jonathan’s sharing of his challenging younger life with the familial impact of his brother and sisters’ special needs. I have a sister who was born with many special needs and I also remember the dreadful feelings of so many similar things: going out in public and having people stare at my sister, coming home to a house that felt like an emotional vacuum, etc. Jonathan’s statement about his younger self needing (1) adults who were present and (2) not “Be there in that moment” was like a lightning bolt of realization which never occurred to me until now (and I’m in my fifties), but I now realize that’s what I needed too, so THANKS Jonathan and Mayim❤
Wonderful episode as usual, I discovered your podcast a month ago and it's so inspiring.
I couldn't help to post a comment (even if the episode was published beginning of September) because, as touching the interview with Zack Williams was, the sharing of Jonathan's story and experience at the end touched me even more. I related so much. I went through a trauma myself when my mom suffered a big stroke. She survived but with big side effects. She was never again what she was and never will be… I lost my mom that day and at the same time I didn't. When he said «the thing with a death is that there is a finality in it» and «there is no normal to go back to»… it resonates with me so much. Even if it's not the same (no trauma is the same) it feels somehow light to know you're not alone or the weird case out there…. Ambiguous Grief is something that is so not talk about.
So, simply, thanks for being out there and talk about these subjects. Trauma and Ambiguous Loss are part of my life I learn to live with so even if for a short time thanks Jonathan for your story.
So admirable that he has turned his challenges into compassionate goodwill and good works. I am impressed by his intelligence and perseverance. God bless you Zak Williams.
Police are brutal,, please my story is so different from all this ….. I was sad about losing my house,, cops came too bad they didn't kill me like putting their knee on my neck & take me out… In Michigan mental health is treated like a it's a pain in the ass, to all nurse's, doctors, cop's.. No One Cares & all that bull is Fake like help out there for people that need it… Useless help…
Thank you Johnathan. The fire alarm analogy took my breath away. I grew up with that fire alarm going off but could never put it to words. I am so grateful to you for sharing. I have been diagnosed with PTSD, GAD and Depression. I go to therapy and listen to your podcasts as well as many others that talk about mental health. A positive thing that happened because of the pandemic is the increase and a highlight of such podcasts. Thank you for all you and Mayim do to educate about mental health and give space for people to ask questions. Also, giving celebrities a safe space to talk about their struggles is doing such a service to societies. To learn that celebrities struggles as "we" struggle is powerful, especially to those who they are all perfect and try to emulate them. Thank you again!
Religion is authoritarian, and authoritarians are controlling. Between men and women, men set the emotional tone/vibe socially, and women reciprocate what men present to them. The tone is mostly authoritarian. What is one thing authoritarian men want control over the most? Women.
What is the exact opposite of a controlling attitude? Humility, honesty, respect, and non-violence. Having a controlling attitude is the ABSENCE of developing character towards women socially for purposes of mating and sex. So what is the purpose of religion? To appear Godly and spiritual socially WITHOUT developing character within.
With authoritarianism, ALL MEN BLAME WOMEN for dishonesty socially. Kind of mean, f*cked up, and manipulative, don’t you think? Considering men are physically bigger in frame, physically aggressive (violent), angry (authoritarian) all the time, and overall control the tone/vibe of how men and women interact socially.
Why is almost all violence and machismo in some way or another affiliated religion? It’s not hard to see the truth: to get rid of religion socially worldwide is to also get rid of amorality, indifference, conformity, authoritarianism, and violence towards women.
All war, ultimately, has to do with control over women by authoritarian (lying) men.
God is love, and love is a collective consciousness filled with humility and honesty, and an absence of a violent, central authority.
Only “alpha” males focus on religion. They are the most manipulative, materialistic, and conniving of men, as well as the most violent. Not all alphas are religious, but almost all religious men are alpha (authoritarian).
Evolved men are too honest for religion or atheism. They focus on telepathy. The only way to focus on telepathy is to be honest and humble socially.
Men focusing on the spiritual focus on spirituality NOW, which is telepathy. They do not wait to form spiritual personalities until after death (religion), and then play head games in the material with money, weight training, martial arts, and anger.
No one cares about religion at all. People only care that life after death is real and that telepathy is real.
Religion is a head game. It is shallow. It is corny.
This was a heavy and very important episode to hear from someone who in everyone's eyes should have had a happy life with no problems, to share them to have learned from them and now to help others is truly inspiring. Thanks Jonathan for sharing your experience, and bringing up front to those that are "left out" when tragedy hits a family, this podcast keeps blowing my mind
My cousin committed suicide by hanging, while I was a young person. I think in my youth. I can’t remember the year.
She was in South Korea. Only our aunt and her family there. They later, I found out didn’t know how to help and may have aggravated the situation. But they chose to see it in a way, that showed lack of empathy. They just blamed it on her boyfriend. They kept saying he might have murdered her.
To avoid trouble, the boyfriend’s family settled the situation with her father, who was divorced from her mother, my aunt, who lives in Argentina.
I don’t think healing happened over there. Just an acceptance and coping via seeking after success in work and social status related stuff. Even in their faith.
I witnessed that some years later after my cousin’s suicide. Lived with my paternal grandparents for three months. They didn’t acknowledge some things I knew via my mom, been told by my cousin’s mom, where they partially held them responsible, as well as the boyfriend, he was emotionally abusive and taking advantage of my cousin financially.
My aunt in Korea did cut her off from financial support before the suicide.
The police report said clear suicide. The boyfriend’s family did some financial reparation to my uncle, who was an alcoholic. Because, in Korea, people openly blame you for things, so you have to do open and obvious reparations. And my uncle’s alcoholism was the reason my grandpa told him to stop living with them in Argentina, so he went back home to Korea.
And I struggled with suicidal ideation since I was 11. I didn’t have mayor trauma. But my highly sensitive and empathetic heart did feel even small traumas more, so I guess that is what predisposes me to what my mental and emotional health journey have been like.
But thankfully for me my faith has helped me on my journey of healing in Christ. Still work in progress but getting closer to free indeed to enjoy life for the most part, while handling all my issues better so they don’t affect my life so much at times.
💖✝️📖🕊💖
Adore your show and find it extremely valuable (and often delightful) . Might be interesting to discuss how the categorization of illnesses (with hyperspecific criteria) is, in some ways, problematic. The DSM is a fiction. A USEFUL one and one worth paying attention to — not trying to dismiss it completely — but ultimately it's a fiction. Which is not to say that people's mental distress and suffering isn't extremely real and deserving of support (and way more support than we have access to these days). But at times, the categories of illness are not useful (to be gentle about it). Just always good to not be too reverential of these things.
Blessings on your guest and on Jonathan for sharing these things and for being such lovely people.
Thank you Jonathon. Very useful
Thank you for talking about survivor's guilt. Jonathan's story at the end was very powerful. I identified with the symptoms you listed.
Thank you so much for this! I relate to so much of his journey. I have recognized grief, crazy-making situations where my internal world doesn't match my external world, but I never even though about survivor's guilt. I, too, drank to numb and all of my teenage years were spent around kids who drank and planning our next night out. I appreciate his words of needing to be removed. I would have benefited dramatically if an adult would have come along side and helped me understand the breadth of what I was going through as a child. "My needs did not exist because of what was going on in the family" is a quote I have lived and breathed most of my life. My family was not able to be there for me emotionally or physically. I felt when Jonathan was talking about days after his brother's accident. Even though my life changed forever when I was 11 years old, I can still remember vividly the minutes, hours, days after my dad's death and the giving away of my sister into the system which led to a lifetime of horrific abuse. My life was never the same after my father passed away. I call them mile markers where a time in your life has been marked forever and you can never be the same. I relived those moments after my father's death over and over, for years. When Jonathon talked about opening the door to his family's house and how different it was, it's like opening the door to the next chapter of your life that never ends. It was a situation that you feel like you are screaming for help, but no one can hear you and no one is there to help. I loved how you shared PTSD symptoms, Mayim, Intrusive memories, avoiding places that remind you of where it happened, always on guard, self-destructive behaviors, drinking too much, trouble sleeping, overwhelming guilt or shame were some of what you discussed. Thank you so much for this episode! It helped me tremendously.
Such a cool guy! Financial literacy is such an important thing I wish we taught in schools across the country. The mental health emergency line is going to save so many lives, especially since anyone may need mental health support, and when we do – calling law enforcement isn’t even a logical answer to what needs we have in those moments. The fact that there even IS a line that we can call for mental health emergencies and crises by itself makes a statement of how importantly we need to view mental health concerns. Things like 988 help us normalize talking about mental health and underscores its importance. Zak is a great inspiration in so many ways – it’s not just his incredible post traumatic growth that’s impressed me in this interview, but his work to support these specific programs mentioned in this episode – it’s uplifting and encouraging for those of us who continue our own post traumatic journeys. Our lives will never be the same after the traumas we’ve experienced, but it’s clear from listening to this discussion that we can continue living and even thrive into the future. Thanks for sharing yet another great interview you guys!
So thankful for this discussion as my family has dealt with similar issues. Mental health needs to be much more understood.
I lost my dad to addiction the same year that Robin Williams died and I was the same age as Zack. This has been so healing to listen to and I’m only 10 minutes in. Thank you.
Working to open up is a leap of ones heart. Zak and JC help their hearts recalibrate every time they pull from the trauma. It is bravery. Thank you both for sharing!
I really appreciated Jonathan sharing so much of his experience. While mine is very different I related to a lot of what he talked about emotionally. Thank you.
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In my county addiction gets help, other things do not.
On a soul level it is said that everyone chooses when they cross back over to spirit, in essence chosen when death on human level.
I reached out to mY insurance repeatedly for years, nami, hotlines, ..no help..devastating
The way Zach, MB and Jonathan were so honest abour their trauma and experience was really valuable. I was able to better understand myself and my behaviour. It's been really hard to see myself reflected in others, because we usually try to hide and forget what we been through. I do understand now I have an addiction to alcohol as a coppin mechanism and I'm trying to be a better man, but sometimes I feel lost and lonely, as if I'm wrong cause I don't really understand what's the root of this compulsion. But, listening to your memories and what you've been through while sitting alone in my bedroom through one of the hardest moments of my life, makes me feel understood and somehow calmer. Thank you so much for doing this interview and being so bluntly honest. It does make a difference.
Gabor Maté Compassionate Inquiry & Diederik Wolsak Choose again are great processes for Healing. Much Love ❤️
I remember an old record I had called "Robin Williams at the Met". He talked about getting sober for his 3 year old son Zak and so he wouldn't get anymore next day calls about crapping in a tuba. The way he talked about being a father and the wonder of a 3 year olds mind was incredible.
What a fantastic guest! So honest and real.
This was a great episode!
Jonathan, I’m so sorry you went through all of that. Thank you for sharing.
As someone who grew up in a Robin Williams fan household as a child and is seeking help for the first time for anxiety, depression, and what is likeley c-ptsd, this was so lovely and helpful. 💟
Wow. That was REALLY heavy, but necessary. Zach was extremely forthcoming, & I really appreciate him sharing. What an amazing person to utilize his struggles to help those who are dealing with similar struggles.
Wow. Great job tackling such sensitive things.
Hello there from Ontario Canada 🍁 Fantastic Episode 👍👌 And Fantastic Channel You Have Here. Take care and keep up the good Work All The Best 😊🖖🍁♈